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Paul from Minnesota joining. Impressive website & informative. 30" MES. Been smoking meat & making sausage for about 3 years.
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Hi I’m Adam and I am originally from Lake Charles, La but once my wife and I both retired from the U.S. Air Force we are currently living in Haysville, Ks. I’ve just recently started making my own sausages and meat snacks thanks to Walton’s.
@Boudreaux Hey Adam, you aren’t far from us at all probably about 20 minutes. You should come to our store next time you need supplies, we are at 3639 N Comotara St Wichita, KS 67226. Stop by and say hi!
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@jonathon I’ve gotten all of my supplies from you guys, how was the Summer Sausage? ;0
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Sammy from Cocoa FL. Checking in.
New to sausage making and smoking.
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Shakopee Minnesota and I have been grilling for a while I just recently got into sausage making still working at it and want to try my hand at making different things like snack sticks and other stuff here is a picture of my smoker and some ribs I did on it
@Minnesota Hey welcome to the board, we were just up in Minnesota a few weeks ago, beautiful area of the country! Those Ribs look great, nice bark on them.
I just did some for this past weekend, I actually marinated them overnight in Pa’s Black Bull seasoning and then rubbed them with Dominator RIb Rub and they came out great! I put them in at 215° for 3 hours then wrapped them in foil with butter and brown sugar and left them in there for another 2 hours. Finally I unwrapped them and did them for another 45 minutes, I dont have pictures, I was too excited to start eating them…that or I was already late serving them to our dinner guests and my wife was yelling at me for being late with the food as usual! Anyway they were delicious!
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Jered from Indiana
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Hi all! My name is Gene Garate from Southern Utah checking in. I am a true nose to tail butcher, beginning with a visit to ranches to slaughter livestock and ending with aging, cutting and packaging of product. I have been using recipes from this site for some time now with great results and reviews. I use a Char Broil smoker and a 48" Weston smoker. Unfortunately I still need more smoker space for the output I currently have and my smokers are almost constantly running. I use the Zenz Dixie Sausage seasoning almost exclusively along with Country Brown Sugar cures for both bacon and hams with nearly universally positive response. Good to be here.
@antlion It will be great to have the input of a butcher on here! Glad you like the Dixie and the Country Brown Sugar Cure they are both great seasonings. More smoker space is an annoying issue to have, you either have to go with a larger smoker or get an additional one. I look forward to seeing your posts!
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Hi I’m Ted from Orlando and I love to smoke meat on an electric smoker, also I write content about smoking food on electric smoker and reviews.
@tedmo Welcome to the Board, look forward to your thoughts and opinions on smoking and smokers!
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AJ from Mount Pleasant, WI…
Have been enjoying meat snacks and jerky most of my 58 yrs. Been smokin’ meat on a homemade UDS for about 3 yrs. Enjoy trying new techniques and flavors so I have a feeling I’ll be spending a lot of time on the Walton’s site and this blog. Thanks in advance for the hospitality! God Bless!
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Haysville Ks. Smoking and grilling for 10 years. Limited meat processing about 8 years
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Gary T. From Branford CT, I’ve been making jerky for some 30 years now, not sure how I missed Waltons site but I’m glad I found it, great to see all the videos tips and forums.
Trying the Waltons BOLD Jerky seasoning today in a restructured mix, I normally try a mix as is the 1st time then alter to my taste later on, I needs TONS of flavor so I’m hoping this one does the trick. I also bought the Teriyaki & Cajun to try.
Thanks for the invite. Gary T.
JWVickII last edited by JWVickII
Hello from Alpine, Texas.
Glad to see so many new faces (or usernames) on here! @Gary-T if you like the bold but want more flavor and like a sweeter jerky check out the video we did on Tender Jerky. We wanted to see if adding more sugar and water could give us a more tender piece of jerky that was shelf stable. The jerky was very tender, certainly more tender than anything I normally make, it was shelf stable and the taste was Excellent!
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Hello everyone. NC born and raised. Hopefully the vast amount of knowlege and experience on this site will help with any questions I have and I may be able to help a little as well.
@SmokeyBones Welcome to the Board! We are always looking for more help and experience on the board!
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@smokeybones Welcome aboard SB, Im pretty new here as well but I’ve already found a ton of great info, snoop around and you’ll find a wealth of knowlege.
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From Wasilla, Alaska here. I’ve been treating my moose, caribou, bear, even beaver, over the years. Using my own recipes or some that I got from friends and relatives. And use a home built backyard smoker. Found this site a few months ago, and have watched a lot of videos. I gotten a lot of good ideas from you people, and I may be getting a few orders together over the next few month. Might simplify some of my old tried and true family gizmo’s!
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@boomer17 Welcome Boomer, Wow those are some meats I know I’ve never tried, sounds very cool. I look forward to hearing about and seeing those meats processed.
@boomer17 Welcome to the board, it’s great to have someone from Alaska on! You mentioned Beaver, have you ever done anything with the tail? I was listening to an episode of the Joe Rogan podcast and he had a wild game chef on that said when done correctly beaver tail is amazing! It will also be helpful to have someone who has experience with bear on here for sure!
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Live in a small town in North Central Arkansas. I compete in both KCBS and MBN sanctioned bbq contests. I use a Gateway 55 gallon barrel smoker, Weber 22” smoker, Rec Rec 680 pellet smoker and Weber grills for both contests and home use. I also use a masterbuilt smoker for summer sausage and Cabela cabinet dehydrator for jerky. I especially forward to hearing about sausage stuffing, seasoning and smoking techniques as well as deer jerky.
@smokemeister Nice to have you on the board, it certainly seems like you will have some good experience and information to share with everyone!
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Southeast Texas here. I’m experienced in smoking/grilling but a novice at sausage making. I used to help my father in law make sausage at his meat market years ago. Now I plan to start making sausage as a hobby …
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Just checking in
Garden Plain, KS
Green Mountain Daniel Boone
snack stick made with BBQ Jerky or the new Dill Pickle
@departing-contestant I love the Dill Pickle Jerky, I’ve only used it in restructured jerky so far but I am sure it is just as good on whole muscle. In my opinion it has a really good dill pickle flavor and a nice little bit of heat to it!
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Hammond. IN here. Been making jerky about 10 years, snack sticks about 2 years. I make a lot of chicken jerky, recommended by my doctor, he likes it too. I’m also a KCBS Master BBQ Judge and am in my 11th year. Planning on trying some different sausages soon.
In the ‘Meat Block’ you don’t list using a cure. The packet of Landjaeger seasoning I purchased came with a packet of Cure.
As this is a sausage that is ment to be consumed without cooking shouldn’t a cure be used. I know you put in the wrap up about using Smoked Meat Stabilizer or Sodium Erythorbate are they equivalent to using a true cure.
You shouldn’t have a noticeable difference in stuffing based upon the difference of using a grinder or a bowl chopper.
Your biggest help in making stuffing easier will be using plenty of water. At least 1 quart per 25 lb meat block, but up to 2 quarts is even better. And, your lean to fat ratio will make a difference. Leaner meat will be harder to stuff while a higher fat content will make things easier. Keep the meat as cold as possible too and that will help make things a little easier to stuff as well.
I would continue to use the grinder and just add a little more water to the mixture and make sure you lube the gasket and you should be good to go. Although you could definitely use the Buffalo chopper and just add ice instead of straight water and that should help.
Specialty Sausage 103: Making Landjaeger
Attend this entry-level class from Meatgistics University by watching the video, reading the article and post any questions you have!What is Landjaeger?
Landjaeger is a German sausage that is made from a combination of beef and pork. It is stuffed into natural casings and can be smoked and semi-dried or just smoked. Before smoking, it will be pressed either flat or formed with a mold to give it its classic flattened look.Meat Block
Landjaeger needs to be stuffed into a natural hog casing for it to really be an authentic landjaeger and we also want to press and form it so natural hog is the best choice. I’m using a home pack of hog casings so they need to have the salt rinsed off of the casings, then the insides need to be flushed with running water and then let them soak for an hour in warm water.
We need to cut up our beef and pork into pieces that a grinder will easily handle. The smaller the grinder you are using the smaller you will need to cut up your product. With something like this Weston #12 Butcher Series, we want to cut our product into chunks between 2 and 3 inches.
I have had our meat in the freezer for about 45 minutes before to make it ice cold, cold meat will always grind better than warm meat. We will we are going to grind the beef once through a 3/16th plate, before we started we made sure our plates and knives were well oiled to prevent any friction between the plate and knife, this would cause the plate to heat up and it would add unnecessary wear and tear on our equipment. Then we will grind the pork twice, first through a 3/16th-inch plate to break down the meat and then through a 1/8 plate to finish it off.Meat Mixing
We are going to smoke this so we need to get good protein extraction when mixing. Place in a mixer with water, seasoning, and cure and mix until you have achieved protein extraction. Remember to mix it an even amount of time forward and reverse, about 8 minutes should do it. Remember if you are using Encapsulated Citric Acid like we are that it needs to be added during the last 60 seconds of mixing or you run the risk of breaking the encapsulation.Sausage Stuffing
Before you load your stuffer you should oil your piston gasket with White Oil to make sure it moves smoothly along the walls of the canister. Load your stuffer, being careful not to create any air pockets in the canister and stuff it somewhat loosely into the casings, you will want to stuff them loosely so you can form them before smoking.Thermal Processing & Smoking
Lay them out on screens in a smoker and cook with no smoke at 120° for 30 minutes, then 140° for 1 hour, again with no smoke at this stage and dampers still wide open, then at 145° with smoke for an hour and finally 180° until internal temp reaches 160°. The smoking process is a lot easier with something like the Grilleye Pro Plus thermometer that can track your temperature and alert you when you have reached your desired temps. Adding a water pan is a good idea to help add some moisture to the smoker.Cooling
Once you are done smoking them leave them out for an hour at room temperature to allow them to cool and then place them in a fridge for 24 hours before vacuum packing.Wrap up
All in all the largest difficulty we faced was flattening the Landjaeger out. Other than that it was really very similar to making any other cured sausage. Adding more water might have made the flattening the meat out easier and allow it to hold it’s shape better, if we do this again we will try that.
I would also either use less Encapsulated Citric Acid as the seasoning appears to have some tang to it by itself. So if you still want to use a cure accelerator I would recommend Smoked Meat Stabilizer or Sodium ErythorbateAdditional Tips As always make sure you keep your meat as cold as you can before grinding. This not only helps speed the grinding process but also helps with food safety which is especially important here if you are going to try to flatten it out. *In the end, flattening out the sausage was the hardest part, getting it between two hard surfaces with a LOT of weight is important. * Other Notes
We also tried to take an extra stuffing tube and flatten the opening with a vice to give us the desired flattened outlook. I was limited in how much I could flatten it out and still be able to get the hog casing over the flattened out portion. Once I stuffed the meat into the casings it immediately took on the shape of the casing so it did not work.Watch WaltonsTV: Specialty Sausage 103: Landjaeger Shop waltonsinc.com for Cured Sausage Seasoning Shop waltonsinc.com for Meat Grinders Shop waltonsinc.com for Sausage Stuffers Shop waltonsinc.com for Boning Knives
looking at some of the questions about stuffing snack sticks got me to thinking. For years I have used my grinder to grind the meat for the process and then mix and stuff right away. The stuffer was hard to turn but not impossible, I purchased a 20 electric LEM stuffer a few years back and it just doesn’t have enough power for the snack sticks. I do have a buffalo chopper and was wondering if I used that instead of just grinding it and adding a bit of water to the mix if it would be easier to stuff. has anyone done this?