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junglejim23 last edited by
@austin My name is Ben Nugent wanted to say hello And thank you all for answering my questions in the live stream yesterday. I am an assistant manager and Butcher at a natural grocery store specializing in organic and non GMO foods. I have been a Hunter and outdoorsman for many years and enjoying making sausages and meat snacks as well as hams,bacon, and other charcuterie. I live in Billings Montana and look forward to all the going on here
@junglejim23 We are glad you enjoyed the livestream and we’re always happy to answer questions! Welcome to the community and hopefully you get some value, fun, and enjoyment out of it!
Minnesotameat last edited by
Eric here, from Campbell Minnesota. Been smoking stuff for about 15 years? I have been processing my own venison for the last 4 years, summer sausage and jerky mostly but always want to try something new. Favorite meat snack is maple habenero snack sticks or pepper jerky or Brisket! I currently own a Smoke Daddy 1190 pellet pro, i plan on building a vertical smoker out of a old fridge i have stripped down. also own a blackstone flat top griddle. Thanks!
@Minnesotameat Glad to have you on the board! Good luck with creating that smoker, old refrigerators are a great base for making smokers as the insulation helps you hold a nice steady temperature for long periods of time. We’ve got a great community here so feel free to chime in with your thoughts on things and ask any questions you might have!
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Currently living in Il. Moving, hopefully to Mo next year. Just love smoking meat of all kinds. Currently using a Bradley smoker, Cabelas 1 hp grinder. Cabelas commerical dehydrator for jerky and vegetables out of my garden. Today I am making venison sausage, black pepper is one. The other is jalapeno venison sausage. Love both,they don’t last too long around my house.
mtnjim last edited by
Gathering ingredients and tools for a killer batch of whitetail venison sticks!
Got the spices, hi temp cheese, binder, casings, etc. from you guys.
Have my own small meat grinder, just got a 20 lb. mixer today, borrowing a stuffer from my nephew, and found a guy in the 'hood willing to lend me his electric smoker!
Gonna do half Willie’s, half habanero spice mix…with the ghost pepper hi temp cheese.
Oh, living in Estes Park Colorado and just brought back venison from 2 Michigan deer :-).
Tim71 last edited by
I live in Mary Esther, Florida.
I have been playing with sausage for awhile now. My oldest brother got me interested and we often share ideas. Unfortunately my brother and I live on opposite sides of the country so can only share by phone but, we have had some long conversations trading ideas.
I have an electric smoker and love to smoke pork butts. My electric smoker does not give as good a smoke as a stick fired smoker but it still gives good flavor and could not be easier to use.
What I love about making my own sausage the variety of tastes you can get and the quality of the sausage itself. For me many of the readily available commercial products have a sameness of taste and texture (there are some exceptions that are very good). When you make your own, you have control over the flavor and the texture.
@tim71 Adding to the end of what you were saying, I love the sense of pride you get when someone tries something you have made and is blown away by it! It might be vain but I don’t care, I love having someone ask something like “where can I buy these?” and you let them know you made it! Welcome to the board!
sgeisz last edited by
Hey Waltons gang! Love everything about your company. I have been smoking meat and competing in BBQ for the last 21 years and have started really getting into making my own sausage, sticks and brats as well. Especially during deer season. I am from Peosta, IA. Been purchasing Walton’s products for years and glad to be on board with the blogging.
@sgeisz Glad to have you on the board! Always nice to have a competitor on the board!
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Gumbo hear, aka Emoneyblue
Im now located in Chandler AZ. My wife and I own a Creole Cajun Resturant and bar. Im the owner and Chef at that location. we own a commercial 200 SC southern pride smoker and a 55 gallon barrow smoker that I use for my smoked meats. My most favorite flavor of seasoning is my in-house Creole/Cajun spice. I also make all of our sausages for the restaurant like smoked Andouille, Texas Red Hots, Tasso, Sweet/Hot Italian and snack sticks etc. I have a #50 hydro stuffer and a 132 lbs meat mixer and a commercial grinder to make quick work of getting that meat ground quickly. At home I have all the home basic equipment that I started with… Just cant seem to get to give it up because I can make smaller batches and not have to worry about moving or cleaning the BIG stuff. Enough about me, I just love all the advice and recipes you all are sharing hear so thank you in advance. Looking forward to meeting new friends. E$
Ellis last edited by
Ellis from wv.how much eca do you use for 4lbs meat.
@Ellis We have an Additive Chart has additives broken down into 1 and 5 lb batches. You’d use .32 of an oz for 4 lb. We also have it broken down by volume on that chart. I still think weighing is the best way to go but if you don’t have a scale that will measure less than a lb the volume amounts can be helpful.
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@austin Saying Hi from Salt Lake City. I’m an old stick burner that converted to a pellet smoker, I use a Traeger Timberline1300. I enjoy making Brats, snack sticks, summer sausage and salami. Want get better, learn more and make new products.
@davids Glad to have you on-board! We hope to see you around the forums, and definitely get a post out in the Meat Processing section if you need any help at all making something new. There is lots of great advice here from both our Meatgistics crew and the rest of the community members!
@Joepingel That would be correct, the 22mm tube is too big for the 30mm casing, it will fit the 32mm collagen but not the 30. You can check out a chart that shows you what tube to use with what casings (https://meatgistics.waltonsinc.com/topic/187/what-size-stuffing-tube-to-use-sausage-casing-size-chart) that Austin made a few years ago. Please let me know if you saw incorrect information somewhere on either meatgistics.com or waltonsinc.com and I will get that fixed.
Thanks Jonathon. I pan fried the sausage in a cast iron skillet (my “go to” for the stove) on low heat actually. I could not believe there was no moisture in that skillet. The sausage really was great (Holly), beautifully brown. I was very surprised at no rendered fat, but it is very pleasant to experience a sausage patty that is not greasy. I thought I did something wrong lol.
Yeah, goat is lean. I will be going the route of adding pork fat, or mixing in some ground pork. I will have to read up on the other options you have suggested as they are new to me. I like to keep my food as “natural” as possible. I do appreciate the assist here.
@homesteader57 When making a fresh sausage like breakfast sausage adding water isn’t necessary and you’d only need to do it to help mix in the seasonings and additives. I personally don’t add water to breakfast sausage or bratwursts. Did you stuff this into a casing or did you make loose breakfast sausage and cook it up in a pan? Either way, I’ve never heard of no fat rendering out when cooking a breakfast sausage, can you give me a little more information on how you cooked it? In a pan over high heat I am assuming, was it cooked at the highest heat? Cast Iron or something else?
I am going to be very interested to see what happens when you make Brats out of the goats. I’ve never done it but I am pretty sure goat is low in fat content. For brats you want your fat content to be around 75/25 so you will have to add some pork fat if you can. If you don’t want to add pork fat then you can try what I have been doing with lower fat meats. When I have made Chicken Brats I have been using Cold Phosphate to increase the water holding capacity of the meat. I’d also recommend you use a binder like Sure Gel or Super Bind or a moisture retender like Carrot Fiber. Using both of those seems to be the best bet to get a nice juicy product out of a lower fat meat.
@scott-williams First, I’d recommend you use a binder like Sure Gel or Super Bind or a moisture retender like Carrot Fiber. This is always the first thing I recommend when someone has an issue with the texture of their sausage.
Your fat content is correct and it sounds like you used the correct amount of seasoning. 190° is a little higher than I would recommend, but we have all been there when it’s just taking too long so you dump it a little more than you really should! I don’t think that is the issue but check out this post titled Summer Sausage Nightmare specifically @Parksider’s response to finishing it up in water. It’s a good tip and I am going to be doing some tests on it here to verify a few things.
What I think probably caused your issue was the mixing in some way. When adding pork fat to your venison I think the best time to add it is during the second grind, it’s possible that your fat didn’t really mix in well with the venison, that would explain why it seemed dry even though you had the correct fat content.
It also could have been lack of protein extraction, I looked through your posts and can’t tell if you have a mixer or are mixing by hand? With cured sausages, I always recommend using a meat mixer as getting the right level of protein extraction. I am guessing that you had some fat out where the fat renders and cooks out of the product.
Hope this helps!
I made my first batch of brats last night and was using the 30mm collagen casing, but I could not get it to fit on the 22mm tube. I used instead the 16mm tube. I am just curious about what I was doing wrong. I have the 11lb vertical stuffer.
@papasop Sorry, I didn’t catch that you said by the switch initially.
I see the same thing now. Weird thing is that the Pro Series also says the same thing. If you couldn’t use any of them for more than 5 seconds in reverse, that would be odd, because then nothing would work well with the meat mixers.
I’m getting some questions sent to the manufacturer. I’ll let you know if they can clarify further.
I’ve used both the Pro and Butcher series grinders with the reverse on for more than 5 seconds, and used them to mix a lot of meat, so my initial thought is that it is fine to do on mixing, but maybe just not when the grinder head, auger, plate/knife, etc. is attached. Meat is the “lubricant” for all that when grinding, so in reverse for too long and the meat not being pushed through everything could cause problems.