Ham/Black Forest Ham flavor Bologna?
Hello! I’ve finally nailed a great texture bologna and made regular and garlic bologna. I’d like to use the same technique but just shoot for a smoked ham flavor and some variations of that.
Any ideas on what base seasoning I could use for the ham flavor? I’ll be grinding up pork loins/butts.
@craigw9292 After talking to a few people here we think the best way to get a ham like flavor would be to use a ham cure and use the same seasonings and additives you would for curing a normal ham. I’d recommend you use the Sweeter than Sweet Cure California Ham Spice and Cold Phosphate
You will want to use this in the same ratio as you would for making a whole muscle ham. You will grind, mix and stuff like you did with your bologna and then either let the product sit overnight, or if you used a cure accelerator you can go right to the smokehouse. You will want to use about the same amount of water you would if you were making the same amount of smoked sausage.
Your other option is to inject the cure and additives directly into the whole muscle and then let that sit overnight in a cooler then grind, mix, stuff and smoke like you did for your bologna.
We just don’t think there would be a sausage seasoning that you could add california ham spice too that is going to give you anything approaching a ham taste.
@Jonathon Awesome! I will give this a try and post results now if only I could get that order shipped for xmas lol
@Jonathon One quick question - since that cure is mixed in with the meat now and not per gallon - any thoughts on oz per lb?
@craigw9292 Since we are still working off of the same usage ratios I would say for each 10 lb of meat you should use 13 oz of water, 0.175 lb (.28 oz) of the country brown sugar, .078 oz of California ham spice and .8 oz of cold phosphate. Again this is for a 10 lb batch so just make sure you correctly adjust for how much meat you are doing. Let us know if you need anything else.
Thanks for the help!
@denny I have a recipe for tongue with rice and gravy. Slice the tongue into thick slices about an inch to an inch and a half. Make small incisions in each piece and put a piece of garlic. Season with salt, red pepper and cayenne pepper. In a cast iron pot put a small amount of cooking oil. Brown the tongue on a medium heat stirring often. Occasionally add a little water. Just enough to stop it from sticking. After the meat is browned we’ll remove the tongue and add a couple of large onions. Brown them down will well and add tongue back. Cover the tongue with water and cover. And cook over a Med to high heat. Cook till tinder. You may have to add a few times. Once it’s tender cook it down till the gravy is thick. Serve gravy over white rice. This is how we Cajuns so it. Hope you enjoy.
@renaldo No you are right! For some reason I thought you were doing a 25 lb batch! For 7 lb the correct amount of carrot fiber would be 1.1 oz and for water don’t use more than 16 oz.
4 ounces of carrot fiber for 7 pounds of meat? Seems like too much carrot fiber for that amount of meat. But, I have been, and probably am wrong here.
@Denny There is a guy here who does Lingua occasionally but he is at the AAMP (Association of American Meat Processors) Convention right now. I sent him an email so hopefully he has some time to give me his recipe because it was very tender. If not now then he will be back Monday.
Weekly Blog Post - Linking Sausage, Maintenance for the VP215
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