Ham/Black Forest Ham flavor Bologna?



  • Hello! I’ve finally nailed a great texture bologna and made regular and garlic bologna. I’d like to use the same technique but just shoot for a smoked ham flavor and some variations of that.

    Any ideas on what base seasoning I could use for the ham flavor? I’ll be grinding up pork loins/butts.

    Thanks!
    -c


  • Walton's Employee

    @craigw9292 After talking to a few people here we think the best way to get a ham like flavor would be to use a ham cure and use the same seasonings and additives you would for curing a normal ham. I’d recommend you use the Sweeter than Sweet Cure California Ham Spice and Cold Phosphate

    You will want to use this in the same ratio as you would for making a whole muscle ham. You will grind, mix and stuff like you did with your bologna and then either let the product sit overnight, or if you used a cure accelerator you can go right to the smokehouse. You will want to use about the same amount of water you would if you were making the same amount of smoked sausage.

    Your other option is to inject the cure and additives directly into the whole muscle and then let that sit overnight in a cooler then grind, mix, stuff and smoke like you did for your bologna.

    We just don’t think there would be a sausage seasoning that you could add california ham spice too that is going to give you anything approaching a ham taste.



  • @Jonathon Awesome! I will give this a try and post results 🙂 now if only I could get that order shipped for xmas lol



  • @Jonathon One quick question - since that cure is mixed in with the meat now and not per gallon - any thoughts on oz per lb?


  • Walton's Employee

    @craigw9292 Since we are still working off of the same usage ratios I would say for each 10 lb of meat you should use 13 oz of water, 0.175 lb (.28 oz) of the country brown sugar, .078 oz of California ham spice and .8 oz of cold phosphate. Again this is for a 10 lb batch so just make sure you correctly adjust for how much meat you are doing. Let us know if you need anything else.


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  • @dante322 Okay, thank you for the information. The holes in the casings are designed to let pressure bleed out during the cooking process and it also helps it form tighter to the sausage, so you had the right type of casing. Your grinding sounds fine, mixing by hand to get proper protein extraction would take about that time on a larger batch. I’ve used 2 qt of water before to 25 lb of meat and yes, it does make it soupy but that should all come out during the cook cycle (it will extend that cook cycle though). Grinding the meat and fat together is correct.

    I looked back art your meat block and I’d say part of the issue is that you used almost 1/3rd fat. That is a lot of fat, it would have been very difficult to keep that all bound up. 20 lb of venison to 5 lb of pork fat is good enough. If you were using untrimmed butts than 16 lb of venison to 9 lb of the butt would be close to enough but when it is straight pork fat that is getting it up a little on the high side. This would explain why it took forever to cook as well as the fat rendering out of the meat would constantly be bringing down the surface temperature of your meat.

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    Hello All,

    I’m planning on using a 50/50 mixture of raw pork and raw turkey in a batch of Pepper Snack Sticks.
    I have this mixture left over from my last batch of egg rolls. Which turned out awesome.
    I’ve never used turkey with the pork. I normally use beef or venison with the pork.
    Has anyone used turkey before? Am I wasting my mixture? Any advise would be much appreciated, kinda worried about the raw turkey getting cured properly. DO NOT want anyone getting sick because of my experimenting.

    Thank You in advance

    Congo

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    @jonathon said in Hello from Ohio:

    @offallygood Glad to have you on the board! You can never have too much bacon, right? That is an offaly good name you have chosen!

    I’m glad to be here. From the looks of it this is a drama free zone. I’m used to the facebook clusterfudge that are recipe groups.

    I really love the pluck. My grandma is the only one that knows I make tacos out of beef heart. You grind up the offal and nobody knows it is there. My sister is really picky. If she knew I was bringing innards to family gatherings, she wouldn’t eat it. LOL

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