Snack stick casings extremely tough



  • We recently visited the Waltons West store in Wichita and purchased the jalapeño snack stick mix, several spices, hi temp cheese, and a small stuffer. Enough for 25lb of snack sticks.
    I already had some brand XXX edible collagen snack stick casings from a name brand supplier at the house so decided to use them instead of buying more.
    Using ground elk with 10% pork fat added at the processor, decided to add some cheap pork sausage for additional fat content and seasoning.
    After cooking on the Traeger, monitoring the internal temps with a blue tooth thermometer, brought them in and cooled in an ice bath according to instructions.
    Conclusion: I wish we didn’t add the cheap sausage. The flavor was of excess fat, not meat/seasonings.
    My mistake.
    The edible collagen casings ended up extremely tough. So tough they are just about not able to be eaten. Why so tough?


  • Admin

    @dennishoddy
    The casings could have just been dried out, or coming from another supplier, who knows how long they were on the shelf before they were sold to you. That would be one reason I’d recommend our casings. The casings that come from us are also the same high quality casings that commercial meat processors are using, whereas the casings from another retailer many times can be a lower quality and cheaper casing.

    If one was to assume the quality of casings was not an issue, case hardening (tough exterior and casing) is typically a result of cooking temperatures. Sometimes it is from cooking at too high of a temp, or simply increasing the cooking temp too quickly. Adding a water pan to the smoker to help increase humidity and avoid a dry/hot heat can help as well. We recommend starting out the cooking with a low and slow incremental rise in temps (recommended cook cycle is 125F for 1 hour, 140F for 1 hour, 155F for 2 hours, then finally 175F until the internal meat temp is 160F). If you can’t hit some of those lower temps, keep the smoker as low as possible to start and don’t increase the temps past 200F.

    Those are at least a few ideas to start with. If you don’t think the cooking process was the issue, let us know what your approximate cook cycle was, and we can help brainstorm further from there!



  •  I'll have to admit the casings were old. Probably well over a year at our house, and no telling how long they were hanging in the store. Pretty tough getting them on the stuffer tube even when coated with some vegetable oil.
    

    Next batch will be with fresh casings.


  • Admin

    @dennishoddy
    As a general rule of thumb, we highly discourage using vegetable oil for anything involved with meat processing.
    It can ultimately cause more problems than it solves.

    If you are using vegetable oil for lubricant to slide casings on the stuffing tube, that could be a portion of the problem in this specific case too. If you get oil on the casings, it can dry them out and almost fry them while smoking/cooking. It can at least cook them faster and dry them out though.

    I’d say there is a good chance you reduce the casing issues you had by not using the vegetable oil.



  • What is recommended for a lube to get the casings on the stuffer tube if vegetable oil is not good?
    Perhaps it was the old casings being the issue, but the casings were very difficult to get on the tube without some sort of lube. Bacon fat?
    Bacon makes everything good! LOL.


  • Admin

    @dennishoddy
    The best answer would be to just use a smaller stuffing tube, or use a larger casing that fits better on your stuffing tube.
    Using fat would be better than vegetable oil, but still the best answer is to match up the stuffing tube and casings for a better fit.


Log in to reply
 


Active Users


Recent Posts

  • @carla-edwards Good setup, I like the glass insert to let you monitor without opening. Welcome to the board, always good to get some cold smoking expertise on here!

    read more
  • BBQ Smores Video Weekly Blog Post - Weston Multi-Layered Press and BBQ'ing Smores

    Find out what's going on at Walton's and Meatgistics this week. We will have a loose schedule for soon to be released videos, what we are working on long-term and maybe a few quick tips and tricks that are on our mind!

    What Videos are being released soon?

    Will it BBQ? Smores! - We know that Smores will BBq, it is basically the same process on a grill or smoker as over a fire. However, we wanted to do this for two reasons. First, we wanted to see if you could do large amounts as a dessert at once and still have it taste as good and second, we wanted some smores!

    Weston Multi-Layered Burger Press - This new product from Weston will let you make multiple burgers of the same diameter quickly and easily. It is a little easier than using a single press if you want to make multiple but you don’t have to clean a stuffer like you do when using the Rapid Forming Patty Attachment. They tried for a best of both worlds type of product and they did a pretty good job!

    What Projects are we looking ahead at?

    PK-100 Review - We finally got this shot. It is being edited now and should be released in the next few weeks. It is a great little smoker and even at its price more people should be using this. It gives you professional performance and home user convenience.

    The Best Burger - One of these days I am going to get around to making a few different burgers out of different types of meat and determining the “best”. I am finding I like pork burgers over beef burgers more and more so the test is going to be a 100% beef burger, a 100% pork burger, a mix of 50% 50% and maybe a brisket burger. That last one will open happen if I can convince Austin to allow me to purchase a brisket and grind it up!

    What’s on our Mind?

    How much does genetics play into the best diet for individuals? I know one of the reasons diets don’t work for everyone is that depending on where we came from we have different nutritional needs. Well, I just sent in my DNA genetic test to a popular company and I am getting a report on what genes I have that SHOULD show me what foods will work best with my body. Once I get that back in a few weeks I am going to alter my diet and see what the results are, I will keep a running blog of the results in body weight and energy and let everyone know. I am going to be crushed if it says I need to stop eating so much red meat!

    Weston 6 Tray Digital Dehydrator Dehydrator Compact Digital Kitchen Scale Digital Scale

    read more
  • C

    I cold smoke all kinds of products to sell at the local farmer’s markets. Altho I use the Masterbuilt setup I’ve seen other people make their own with a 3" dryer vent hose.
    The only trick is to keep your smoke generating source away from your smoker unit as all smoke will contain some heat. The father away the better for your product. Also make sure you’re smoker unit isn’t parked in a sunny spot as this will also increase the temperature inside the unit itself. I have to use a sheet of plywood on the side of mine in the early mornings to keep the sun from hitting it.

    0_1534264868535_Image19.jpg

    read more
  • @Big-Mike Can you send me a picture of the product or are they already all gone? I spoke with someone here and they thought cook schedule and fatting out but your process doesn’t indicate to me that either of these was the issue.

    read more
  • @mswoody6-4 The first question would be are you doing it through waltonsinc.com/win? I am assuming that you are so if that is correct the next thing to check is to make sure you are logged in on that page. You will need to login to the account first, I find the easiest way to do this is via my facebook account. Then when you click to comment it should prompt you to log in with your youtube or google account so that it can track who is commenting. If the pop-up for logging in to youtube/google is not coming up you might have a pop-up blocker running on your account and that will need to be turned off.

    read more
  • Making Bratwurst from Jerky Seasonings

    Learn about Making Bratwurst from Jerky Seasonings with Walton's and Meatgistics. Watch the video, read the guide, and then post your questions or comments below.

    Meat Hacks

    One of the questions we get a lot on meatgistics is if you can use a seasoning that is designed for either snack sticks or jerky to make bratwursts out of or vice versa. The answer is absolutely you can there are just a few things you need to do differently and keep in mind. First, if you are using a bratwurst or summer sausage seasoning to make jerky it might end up having a stronger taste than you are used too. This isn’t a bad thing necessarily but it is something you will need to play around with to make sure you get the taste you are looking for. The same is sort of true if you use a jerky seasoning to make a bratwurst but since in this product the seasoning will be mixed into the meat it’s not like we are going to end up with a dull tasting brat. Also, if you buy a jerky seasoning and make a bratwurst you don’t need to use the included sure cure package and if are using a bratwurst seasoning to make jerky or snack sticks then you need to purchase sure cure separately as it will not come with the brat seasoning.

    So today we are going to grinding 20 lb of meat and making brats out of them. We will be doing a 10 lb of batch out of BBQ Jerky seasoning and I am going to add some ghost pepper cheese to some of this because these are going to be eaten when I’m not around and I want them to suffer! I am going to use our new seasoning Conversion Chart which I will put a link to in the description down below that shows you how much seasoning to use by weight and by measurement per 1 lb and 5 lb batch. So for BBQ seasoning for 10 lb, I will need to do 2.5 cups 2 tbsp and 4 tsp for 5 lb of brats made from bloody mary snack stick seasoning 1/4 cup and 1 tsp.

    I am going to do the majority of the BBQ with no cheese but then I will add some ghost pepper to the last few lb just to see what it is like and I will add cheddar to the bloody mary brats.

    I am also going to be making some Bratwursts out of Bloody Mary Jerky Seasoning and I will use the Conversion Chart for that as well.

    I’ve already ground all my meat twice through a 3/8 plate. A good tip is at the end of the second grind to take a handful of meat that has already been ground twice and put it back down through the grinder, this will force the last remaining bits in the throat out through the plate so everything has been ground twice.

    Since I am making bratwurst and not snack sticks out of these seasonings I don’t need any protein extraction so I am just going to mix in the seasoning and cheese by hand.

    Now I am just going to stuff it. I am using a tubed hog casing and to load these we just need to slide the plastic sleeve on the stuffing tube, move the casing down to where it is all on the tube and then pull out the plastic sleeve. I also like the tubed hog casings as all you need to do is soak them in warm water before they are ready for use.

    They were both pretty good but I liked the Bloody Mary ones better, the BBQ was just a bit sweet. Now, we made these from Beef so it might partially be the difference in beef fat vs pork fat but I also think that with a Bratwurst you just don’t want as sweet a product as you might want with Jerky.

    So, all in all this was a success for sure. I think an important lesson to learn was that when you take a Jerky Seasoning to make Bratwurst you need to take into account what will make a good bratwurst, just because you love the taste of BBQ Jerky doesn’t necessarily mean you will love that taste in a bratwurst.

    Subscribe to WaltonsTV

    Make sure you subscribe to WaltonsTV and remember to tap the bell next to the subscribed button to get notified about all new videos, plus like and comment on this video, and visit waltonsinc.com and meatgistics.com to find Everything But The Meat!

    Subscribe to Meatgistics

    Easily subscribe to any category or topic on the Meatgistics community site by clicking the green “Subscribe” button to get an email each time a new post is made!

    Shop waltonsinc.com for Jerky Seasoning Shop waltonsinc.com for Bratwurst Seasoning Subscribe to WaltonsTV on YouTube Walton's Sausage Stuffer 11 lb Sausage Stuffer Weston #8 Black Series Grinder Weston Meat Grinder

    read more

Recent Topics

Popular Topics

8
Online

1.2k
Users

532
Topics

1.8k
Posts


Looks like your connection to Waltons Community was lost, please wait while we try to reconnect.