Making snack sticks with pepperoni seasoning
Interesting experience today. I make at least a couple 25 pound batches of snack sticks with my 30lb stuffer every week. Although I am using 17mm casings I can hand crank the stuffer and get good results. Once in a while I get a batch that is tougher but most are pretty manageable. I pre-measure everything so my batches are pretty consistent. The batch I made today was an experiment to see how pepperoni seasoning would work for snack sticks. Well lets just say the meat block was just shy of concrete after it was mixed. I tried to stuff it through the 10mm tube and sheared the key way on my stuffer. After replacing the key way I stuffed the remaining meat into 1.5" fibrous casings without any further issues. Any thoughts as to why the pepperoni seasoning created such a dense meat block? My recipe is the same every time, 17lbs lean meat, 8 lbs of pork fat, 1 quart water, 2.5oz of carrot fiber, 3oz of ECA and 1oz sure cure.
@vjbutler 1 Quart water ? I think the recipe calls for 2 quarts Bro .
@Rusty Thanks for the reply. Most of the snack stick recipes suggest 2 quarts of water for home processors to make stuffing easier. I have been able to get away with one quart of water on all the other recipes and have still been able to successfully stuff 17mm casings. This meat block was significantly more difficult to stuff. I am wondering if there is something in the pepperoni seasoning that causes this? Always trying to learn as much as I can about a potential recipe before putting into production. In my case more water means longer cook times which translates into lower productivity. Even though this batch was very difficult to stuff the cook times compared to other snack stick recipes was within the normal 12-14 hour cook cycle I use. 2 quarts of water changes that cycle to 20-24 hours if I want to maintain the same quality product using the same equipment.
@vjbutler Hey VJ , Wow , you’re doing something far different than l , l’ve only been dabbling with making sausage a few weeks now and the snack stick recipe l follow from Waltons is about a 6 hour smoke process , l have used the 17 or 19 mm casings , 32mm and even 1 1/2" like a summer sausage casing . l smoke to an internal temp of 160* , everyone loves them but they are not near what l wish to produce . I have been using the TexMex and wpepperoni seasoning. My wish is to end up with a product like an authentic pepperoni without a cold smoke multi week process and my result is a far cry from such . Do you care to tell me about the consistency and texture of your snacksticks when they’re finished including cooking temps and duration ? I am wondering if you’re achieving the result l am hoping for , thanks for the reply
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Not enough water.
Agree not enough water and it’s the cure that stiffens the meat up. Not sure why it’s taking you so long to run a batch. I use 17/19mm smoked collagen casings, smoke for 4 hours at 150F and then simmer in water bath at 170F till sticks are 163F. Total of about 6 hours from grinder to the cooler. Done!
@mike-weigand and @Parksider Thank you both for your reply. I understand that by following the snack stick recipe I am cutting the water in half as directed by the pepperoni recipe. I follow this same recipe every time and don’t have the density that pepperoni block exhibited. I use the same amount of cure and other ingredients so my question is really about the seasoning itself. Is there something extra or a different quantity of something that causes this higher density when mixed. The cook cycle I use is stepped up very slowly and smoked very slowly. This gives me a sharp snap to the casing, good particle definition and exceptional shelf stability. I have kept sealed bags in the refrig for several months with no sign of spoilage. I also have a good shelf life at room temperature. After the cook cycle I do a very brief cold shower before hanging in the cooler. From the cooler they go to a 50 degree low humidity room for 6-12 hours and then packaged. I adjust the time in the higher humidity cooler and low humidity room to produce the product I am looking for. I have commercial equipment for finishing if I want to use it but the result just isn’t the same. Hoping Jonathan might have some insight as to what is different about the pepperoni seasoning…
@Rusty I am using a low power heating element to bring the temperature up very slowly. I preheat to 140 but as soon as the snack sticks are loaded the temperature goes down to around 110. It takes 2-3 hours to dry the casings thoroughly without overheating them. I smoke at 130-140 for 2-3 hours and then bump up the temp to 150 for 2 hours. I then raise the temp to 160-170 depending on how the product looks and feels. I hold this temp until I get the desired results which can be several hours. The internal temperature can be anywhere between 152-162. I find this low power, slow cook method to be very forgiving and very consistent. I remove the snack sticks from the smoker and give them a fairly quick cold water shower and then hang them in the meat cooler. When they are completely cool I move them to a 50 degree low humidity room for 6-12 hours then chamber seal them. I’m not sure this really helps much as there is a lot of time and equipment involved in the process I am following.
@vjbutler Is your end product a dense , firm , dry stick similar to “real” pepperoni ? What size grinder die do you use ? 1 or 2 grinds ? Thankyou very much VJ , as soon as l know your whole process l will try it myself barring the 50 degree room which is difficult to attain in Florida
@Jonathon great advice, keep it simple
Big John's Pizza Dough Recipe
Learn how to make Big John's Pizza Dough Recipe with Walton's and Meatgistics. Watch the video, read the guide, and then post your questions or comments below.Ingredients
During one of our recent livestreams, Big John offered to give us a great pizza dough recipe. He claimed it would give me a leg up on Austin when we eventually do our pizza competition. Well, I wanted to try it so I made some pepperoni here while I was propping open the door to try to get the temp to hold at 120° and then I finished them up in our sous vide cooker.
So his recipe called for 4 cups of King Arthur all-purpose flour but I decided to use the one specifically for pizza crusts, 2 packs of dry yeast, not the rapid rise kind, 2 tablespoons of sugar, 1 teaspoon of salt and 1/4 cup of olive oil.Steps for Dough
Take the 2 packs of yeast and mix with 1-1/2 cups of warm water. Then mix the rest of the ingredients in an oiled bowl, make sure everything is nice and mixed in and then transfer to a clean oiled bowl, cover with some plastic wrap and let it sit for an hour. Then put it in the fridge overnight.
Then the next day make another batch and mix them together, this was a tip from him that really seems to work out well! Then you can split them into batches and you can freeze them for up to 3 months but just know that he says the longer you leave them in the freezer they will not be as good!Cooking Directions
Now, we are using a pizza stone so we are warming it up for an hour at 500°. I like to form the dough into a circle, now I am not perfect at this so it is more of a circle like shape than a true circle and then put it on the stone for 1-2 minutes to firm it up a little more. This will make adding the topping a lot better in my mind.
Now add your sauce, cheese, and any other toppings. I like to sprinkle some Garlic Romano Wing Sauce onto mine while it cooks, it is very good on pizza. We have cut our pepperoni pretty thin and we will put a good amount of that on top of the cheese.
Then lower the temp to 400 put your pizza in there and cook for about 8-10 minutes or just until the pizza dough is as hard as you like it and just as the cheese starts to turn brown in a few spots.Shop waltonsinc.com for Excalibur Shakers Shop waltonsinc.com for Round Baking Stone Watch WaltonsTV: Big John’s Pizza Dough Recipe
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